General Guide Leader Skill Analyses

Discussion in 'Guides' started by Glum, Oct 31, 2014.

  1. IGKANOR

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    What about rheins LS. Instant angelic foil ftw!
     
  2. Glum

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    Read my guide on the arena. I'm aware atk leader skills are very good in the area. :)
     
  3. Sabo

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    Hi Glum, in the starting post u said:

    "For example, a 50% increase in spark damage is actually a 1.5-times increase. Suddenly the 400% multiplier of a BB gets increased to 600%."


    Tats not true, since sparkbuffs are additive. dmg if spark=1.5 without any buffs. with sparkbuffs its x2. means 2/1.5=33% more dmg if spark.

    and the way u discredit atkbuffs.. its still very good. e.g. if in avrg ur units have a 400% sbb and get 100% atkbuff, u do 500/400=25% more dmg

    something else, u said:
    "As I mentioned earlier, the spark boosts are calculated multiplicatively. Multiplying your damage by 1.5 is way better than adding a 50% boost to it. A spark team with Luther lead will likely have increase their damage output by almost double."

    srry but nor sparkbuffs nor luther ls are multiplicative. i actually tested this with Yuizeles help. he used luther LS only and made zephyr spark (his bbanimation goes up and easy to see dmg). it was like this: 420 dmg 420 dmg, 840 dmg, 420 dmg, 840 dmg. means luthers 50% sparkLS is additive, since x1.5+0.5=2 not x1.5*1.5=2.25

    if it was multiplicative, the dmg would be 420*2.25=945.

    sparkbuff additive too: just use luther sbb without any LS: zephyrs dmg is like this: 420 dmg, 420 dmg, 840 dmg, 420 dmg, 840 dmg => additive.

    last Luther ls+his 50% sbb dmg was like this: 420, 1050, 420, 420, 1050. tats x2.5 dmg. means additive 100% sparkbuff. normal dmg if spark is x1.5. + 2x 50% sparkbuffs (additive) = 1.5+1=2.5 more dmg.


    luthers LS is not toptier at all! if u use him and his sbb in sbbspamming squad, ur dmg will only increase by 2.5/2=25% more dmg if u spark..
     
  4. Izanagi

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    I don't want to be "that guy", but what does meta mean?
     
  5. Alchadylan

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    Most popular, commonly used

    This usually coincides with units being good.
     
  6. John Ramsey

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    Yea I have been using Ciara as a leader for awhile
    Now. Really good at arena but doesn't look like it is good for quest. Is the 75% boosts for weak elements worth while? Or maybe just make Zelnite my quest leader:)
     
  7. Glum

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    Ciara is actually a decent quest leader if you put Ciara lead + 4 elements that are weak against the quest. For example, in a fire dungeon, take Ciara + 4 water units and you will do a shit-ton of damage.
     
  8. Louis Squillace

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    I was wondering is :water:Divine Prince Arius a good leader?
    His LS is (BB Gauge greatly fills after each turn)
     
  9. Glum

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    The BB fills after each turn is actually pretty weak outside of the arena. It's a +3 BC fill per turn, which is really low considering most Ares Excelsior leads give +20 BC or more per turn.
     
  10. LtZerge

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    Nice guide Glum, it sort of serves to re-affirm all my observations in a verifiable way. I'm currently rocking the following team
    Zelnite
    Elza
    Hogar
    Mariu
    Dia (leader)
    All have Amano except Elza who currently has the hallow skull/omni gizmo, and zelnite with orb/sol.
    Enough BC generation for guaranteed (so far) 2nd turn BB and sometimes SBB, and enough brute attack (both hogar/mari are breakers with over 2.4k) to take out some units in that first turn. Haven't lost yet. Now to fight someone who gives me more than 50 ABP !
     
  11. Ryanwhoop

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    Curious to know your thoughts on Narza's LS? I was thinking it might be nice to leave him up when I am not playing so my friends could use a decent BB LS with a mitigation component as well.
    Ares Sanctuary
    Large Boost in BB Gauge Fill Rate (40%) & probable slight reduction in damage taken (10% chance for 20% reduction)
     
  12. Glum

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    It's not as good as Elza or Faris, but it's decent for letting friends use the mitigation against Maxwell as long as they already have a Tree or other status nullifier. Nobody would use Narza for general questing, so ultimately using Narza as a leader will make it so that you never get HS points. ;)
     
  13. Ryanwhoop

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    Thanks, I usually leave my :thunder: Crusher God Uda out anyway and I will swap him out with Elza too periodically as I get her SBB finished.
    You know, once the super server crash summon event is over and I can actually do anything at all.
     
  14. Louis Squillace

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    Hey guys I just got 5* Orna. I don't know if I should use here as a leader for a BB team. What do you guys think?:p
     
  15. Glum

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    No, definitely not until she's 6* and even then, her LS isn't as good as Lilly or Elza for 90% of content. Orna as a lead is very situational. She makes a decent lead in the Edea dungeon, but not a lot else.
     
  16. Velka

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    Just one niche case of a situation to use Oulu lead or friend is the bonus dungeon in Agni Region, between him and my grah most my units(anima type) where at about 12-13 k hp making the boss pretty trivial. As only his 3 insta kill moves would do anything relevant because even if you didn't have damage mitigation up for some reason his 10 k damage at could be ignored by your massive hp pool. This was also a very important choice to me as I do not have my own mitigation unit.
     
  17. Jrock78

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    Oulu is a decent pick if you need it and don't have Grah/Exvhel/Kuhla, but all of theirs are strictly stronger than his. Grah especially (literally same HP/Def as well as 20% atk/rec), but the others give 10% more HP as well as healing per turn.

    Oh, and Oulu's skill mitigation is as useless as Narza's, only reduces dmg by 2% on average. This does not mean he is poor as a filler, anyone can suffice and he is a strong pick if you need to survive and lack the above. As a top tier leader however he does not have much of a place
     
  18. Jrock78

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    I realize Narza is strictly inferior as a lead to Ares, but I still feel he deserves mention as niche if Ares is not available or he can suffice and save the extra slot (not sure if this has practical use lol but it may someday).
    Also I'd throw in FH specific skills (pulsating anything for guarding bb gen, esp lower FH) and modernize for new Karl in place of Deemo, Zurg/Ultor arena, etc. I like this thread, just want to see it adapt and grow
     
  19. Glum

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    I'm not going to list "second best" options, especially since Ares Exvelsior and Zelnite together are so common. They are, in most cases, identical in BC gen. Nearly everyone has one. If not, it's easy to make your own "what if?" scenarios based on your own units.

    Honestly, though, if you don't have ares, the best thing is to use an offensive LS (spark, crit, elemental typing) and take an Ares friend.

    Narza as a LS is also bad on autobattle, which is a significant part of my lazy gameplay. :p
     
  20. Soloris

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    What about Type Creator's Power
     

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