Looking to improve my FH squad

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  1. Sharpshooter

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    So recently @RainyRai @Pulsate a few others informed me that double Avant is no longer the status pro quo of FH. They also pointed out that a good squad can get +5 without double Avant leads. Obviously I must be doing something wrong, because I got +4 last season with //mostly// dual Avant leads. So rather than blow up the other guy's notification feed on a topic he's already done with, I thought I'd move it here out of consideration.

    So what I'm running is
    Avant Lead
    -Dandemagus + Medblare + Divine Flame's Memories Elgif (last season I didn't have Medblare so he just ran with a Sacred Axe)
    -SP taken was +50% Atk / +50% Crit / +50% Atk when HP > 50% / +100% to BB Atk Buff
    Sakura Miku
    -Godly Flower + Silver Knights' Crest
    -SP Taken was 20% params / AoE normals / restore HP when Dmg Dealt
    Elza
    -Buffer Jewel + Ultima Weapon + Raging Spirit Lvl 1 Elgif
    -Sp taken was 20% params / BBoT / increase BBoT buff / increase Spark Dmg buff
    Zeruiah
    -Buffer Jewel + Four Bonds + Great Flower of Prosperity elgif
    Rize
    -Blighted Seal + Mem Cache + Brave Perseverance Elgif (didn't have Mem Cache last season so just went with Heavenly Bud)
    -SP taken was 50% HP / 100% Spark / 50% Crit / HoT at Start of turn


    As far as FH relevant units go, I do also have
    Zelnite, Felice, Ark, Silvie, Mifune, Azurai, Ensa, Zero, Ciara, Vern, Eze, and maybe Zenia? I dunno about her. I mean, I did give her a 50% Atk Elgif for arena so she's sitting at 13k Atk before any LS or buffs kick in; but I don't really know if that qualifies her to be used in FH like it would by the old rules.
     
  2. RainyRai

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    Option 1:
    Azurai(lead)
    Ark(if six elementals SPed) otherwise Zeruiah
    Silvie
    Rize
    Zelnite
    take Lauda/Avant with BB mod enchance/Shura/Laswell friends
    Azurai is there for LS, crit rate and crit DMG and BBmod, along with being a heavy nuker.
    Ark is there for ATK buff and elements; if you lack elements, run Zeruiah.
    Silvie is there for spark DMG and spark BC buff + nuker
    Rize is for nuking
    Zelnite is for BB support.
    Run damage spheres on all of them, preferably run Sacred Axe or Mem Cache on Azurai for BB support.
     
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    Okay so how does this sound
    Azurai - Ultima Weapon + Sacred Axe + 50% HP Elgif (lead)
    Ark - Bangles + Rih'alnase + 20% params elgif
    Silvie - Buffer Jewel + Medblare + 30% hp/Atk elgif
    Rize - same as already listed above
    Zelnite - Thief's Jewel + Magical Device (he has a status inflict elgif for Ensa Taya shenanigans in my main squad)
     
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    I've not been following up fh lately but I wanna ask something..
    It's not possible that that team makes more damage (not points, damage) than a double avant proper team, isn't it?
    And, in the remote case it does, wouldn't the damage skyrocket if avant+Silvie/Zenia where used instead of ark-azurai? Silvie LS should offer way more damage sparkwise than ark

    I'm not saying that squad is no good, I'm just asking how is it possible that it is better than a dual avant proper set up in normal FH
     
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    His setup isn't better than double Avant. The thing with non-Avant setups is that you need to take advantage of double dupes with high spark/crit damage modifiers like Lasswell, Lauda, Silvie, Rize, and to a lesser extent Shura.
     
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    Seems way more stressing than just blowing things with Avant then... Why the hassle if it's not worth it? Just for fun/ to find an alternative way ?
     
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    Avant still is strong enough for +5. If that's all you care about, then keep on going on.
    The non-Avant setup is mostly for competitive FHers that want MVPs.
     
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    Dual Avant is only better if you are using perfect spark dupes or Guard Frontier for his UBB. Since he doesn't have dupes and guard frontier is lame, this team is fine.

    If you're going to run Ultima Weapon on Azurai, you could at least give him Sky Harbinger instead. Do you have Merith Pearl from Quaid GGC? It'd be better for Azurai.

    Give Zelnite a spark DMG sub-sphere, and give Silvie something better then Buffer Jewel as a main sphere. Otherwise you're good.

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    I actually changed my mind on Ultima Weap and wound up giving him Guardian Shard instead (complete sustain against 1 target now), but no I don't have Merith Pearl just yet. I'm more behind on GGC than I care to admit lol. As for Sky Harbinger I'm actually using that on my Mifune for farming/arenaseum atm, but when FH rolls around I guess I can swap the spheres.

    soo something like Thief's Jewel + Bootleg Sacred Axe (Buccaneer Banner) for Zel and Offensive Device (assuming I can actually beat Recalling Bondage this time) + Medblare for Silvie?
     
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    Raise a dupe Eze if you have the resources/time; or a dupe Rize if you have one.

    Azurai-Silvie friend, Silvie-Zeruiah-Eze-Eze or Rize-Rize. Equip everyone with spark dmg bolstering spheres. Run Silvie and Rize/Eze for perfect sparks; try and sync Azurai with Zeru or smth in the simulator
     
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    I'm still using dual avant lead and got me ranked 421 last Fh. Similar squad but replacing elza with ensa. Farming end, without guard method (normal attack on turn 1 and 2 and SBB on 3rd turn - for more than 2 enemies lineup for the first stage, sbb for the remaining stage and one UBB on either stage 4 or 5).
    - avant: ameno + sacred axe
    - miku: blight torment + flower crown
    - rize: sky harb + delusion
    - ensa: sky orb + infidelity
    - zeru: dark axe + scarlet

    Elgif: increase attack on full HP or full Bb
     
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    Someone probably said it already in the comments but you want a dupe unit to perfect spark. That alone will increase your score very significantly.
    Easiest change I could find is remove Sakura Miku for a 2nd Rize (I assume it's easier to have another Rize than multiple Lasswels since the unit is much older).
    Bring Azurai friend if you dont have your own.

    EDIT : Tbf, what is below might just be useless. First I would just try and use double Rize and most importantly change all yours spheres to your best crit/spark spheres, BB% and ATK% comes last. You dont need Buffer Jewels you one sho everything.
    Farm MIDDLE or END, NOT Terminus, it's usually trash for point farming and harder without mitigator.

    Positioning/Order
    Rize (6) - Whatever last unit you have/Your Avant lead (5)
    Zeruiah (1) - Crit buffer (2) (Azurai friend or yours if you have one)
    Rize (4) - Spark Buffer (3)

    It's not the best setup by any means but should be easy to get +5. You can replace 2x Rize by 2x of whatever nuker you have.
    Spark damage elgifs and spheres on Rize (or whatever nuker dupes) are MUCH MUCH better and Spark/Crit damage elgifs and spheres ae much better than ATK overall.

    Make sure to put 0 ms delay and check in simulator if the Rizes spark all their hits.
    If you're still not getting +5 on auto with that setup Id consider using UBB method (takes longer tho but dont need to do it for all runs) :
    - Replace Zeruiah with Allanon and use Sacred Crystal / Phantom Gizmo on him. Guard all the time until his BB is filed (not SBB just BB) and BB him to fill your team's BB. Do that until OD is filled and do the same to fill OD gauge and UBB with AUTO BATTLE (use UBB priority on Avant and auto on everyone else with the 2nd setup, first setup guards all).
    It gives better results with auto because manual swiping will fuck your sparks.
    You can find videos on Youtube if you're not sure but it's easy to do, just takes soe time (you can guard with auto if you have an auto battle setup with all guards.

    OR

    - Use Rozalia in the spot (2) for crit buffer. Make her go 1st instead and Zeruiah 2nd. Dual Avant leads in position 3 and 5.
    Same method, same spheres on Rozalia, guard until her BB is filled (should be 2 turns) and use her BB as soon as you have it up, guard everyone else. When OD is filled, OD the avant that is number 3 (so he applies his UBB buffs to more units), do the same to fill his UBB gaug and press auto WITH UBB priority on Avant!
     

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